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So today we're chatting to the remains of These Animal Men Who
have returned under the new guise of Mo Solid Gold, with the addition
of a new frontman - one Mr K and with a unique blend of gospel rock!
We've caught up with them at ULU in London where they are supporting
the Clint Boon Experience and quiz them about the past, the break
up of These Animal Men and what the future brings with the new band
and new direction.
Mo Solid Gold are: Julian: Bass, Alex: Guitar/Backing Vocals, K:
Singing, Craig: Hammond and Rob: Drums.
SO FIRST OFF , WHERE DID YOU ACQUIRE THE NAME MO SOLID GOLD FROM?
Julian: em, just from bouncing different things about, it was just
one of those things where someone comes up with a word each and
we came out with that, it dosent really mean anything, the name
just came together!
WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED THE BAND YOU WERE JUST CALLED MO WERN'T
YOU?, WAS THE LINE UP/SOUND OF THE BAND THE SAME?
Julian: Yeah it was the same line up, it was Mo for a while, then
all sorts of different things, it was bascially just like an umberella
sort of thing till we got to Mo Solid Gold
SO HOWS THE ALBUM GOING?
Julian: it's in it's embryonic stages, but it's all up here in the
SO NO RELEASE DATES PENNED?
Julian: no,...... Craig: no we've only just started doing it really,
just a few bits and bobs
WHEN YOU INTIALLY STARTED TO WRITE STUFF AFTER THESE ANIMAL MEN
SPLIT DID YOU HAVE THE INTENTION OF LIKE DOING THE SONGS YOURSELF,
OR DID YOU ALWAYS HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT DIRECTION YOU WERE HEADING
IN, LIKE WITH THE STYLE OF MUSIC AND THE NEED TO GET A SINGER IN?
Julian: it's really got nothing to do with that, its kinda like
somewhere you go afterwards sort of thing, where your like, um ,
happier (laughter from Rob) , do you know what i mean, it's a lot
SO YOU DIDN'NT HAVE ANY SONGS WRITEN BEFORE THESE ANIMAL MEN SPLIT?
Julian : No the song writings completly different in this band anyway
becasue it's a 5 way thing, it's not like just alex and myself have
wirtten the song's together, it's not that type of thing at all
ARE THE SONGS MORE JAM BASED?
Julian: Yeah a lot of them are, it sort of comes together through
the general things of being in a band - you row, then you get on
and it comes together!
WHAT SORT OF STUFF HAVE YOU BEEN LISTENING TO WHILST YOU HAVE BEEN
WRTITING THE STUFF AND HOW HAVE YOUR INFLUNCES CHANGED , IF AT ALL,
FROM WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED SONG WRITING?
Julian Yeah (laughter)
NO, BUT HAVE YOU LIKE GONE DELIBERATLY MORE TOWARDS SOUL AND AWAY
FROM PUNK AND OTHER STUFF?
Julian:Well nahh, i mean punk is still an influnce for us,......
Rob: Yeah definalty, I think the way we play is just in us all,
do you know what i mean, you c'ant really just say like now im gonna
YEAH I KNOW, BUT THERES QUITE A GAP BETWEEN SOME OF THESE ANIMAL
MENS STUFF, NEARLY ALMOMST EVERY SONG HAD AT LEAST ONE GUITAR BREAK
Rob: yeah now everything's got an organ break in it!,..... Craig:
no there like two totally different things, i mean things have come
from it and that,..... Rob: thats probably like, there's gonna be
bits of that and of their style from These Animal Men and from all
the bands we've been in before, you take the bits with you as you
go along,..... Craig: thats their guitarist (points to alex who's
not yet said a word!),.....Julian: you can go into a music shop
and you can buy a how to play like so and so and stuff like that,
but thats fairly pointless becasue you can only be yourself, you
can try and copy someone else and it will be almost unintelligble
to you, it sort of like growing up, although it's a different from
of being mental -it's not the same one as it was before!..... Rob:it's
not set out with as much as an agenda as These Animal men, everyone
is a lot more open to everyone else's suggestions and record collection
and what have you!.....Julian: I mean we like other peoples bands
and that now (mass laughter erupts all round) , you begin to realise
it's just a great thing to be doing, it's like finally you've come
out of adolescence
BUT YOU'VE GOT A MORE ACCEPTING ATTITUDE TO OTHER BANDS AROUND
AT THE MOMENT, THAN YOU LIKE MORE AT THE MOMENT THAN BEFORE?
Julian:it's such a wonderful time to be making music, which wasn't
necessarly so in the eighties and the early ninties but now (claps
SO WHO DO YOU RATE AROUND AT THE MOMENT?
Julian:DJ Shadow, Moby and that sort of thing, just the way records
are produced now, it's not like when we were making records before,
there's a lot more open-ness now to make wilder and madder sounds
and things like that, we're very lucky!
YOU SEEM TO HAVE HAD A BIT OF A BETTER TIME WITH THE RECORD COMPANY
SINCE FORMING THE NEW BAND, THAN AT THE END OF THE ACCIDENT AND
Julian: Yeah theres a lot more electricity now
WOULD YOU SAY THERE IS A GREATER COMMERCIAL MOTIVATION NOW THAN
THERE WAS WITH THESE ANIMAL MEN?
Julian: You have to accept you're not a subsidized form of art and
art is none the less, selling a lot of records, you c'ant sit there
and say - oh no, we didn't sell a load of records casue we're too
good -thats just pathetic! I mean K and us it's just a really obvious
thing -who could resist that????
The new boy
WHERE DID YOU ACTUALLY FIND K?
Rob: It was just a really rude ad in Melody Maker, which basically
amounted to -even if you're like a millionith of a gimp d'ont fucking
come, it was as simple as that really, casue we like had auditions
and theres people turning up and reading poetry over our music and
talking about two headed snakes, it was just getting fucking silly,
so we just thought up the rudest ad and put it in the paper and
K came along, .......K: I didn't even think it was rude, i just
thought it was fair enough, i saw it by chance, went along and had
a chat, did my thing and everything was cool
WHAT SORT OF STUFF HAVE YOU DONE BEFORE?
K: I was in a band for a couple of years, that was totally different
from this, it was more yer adject rock kinda thing, we had a label
looking at us and they kept saying (adopts comical voice) -oh Rage
against the machine, Chilli peppers, but we're looking for the new
Oasis, so it was more that kind of thing, but i like all kinds of
stuff, and i'd sorta got that out of my system -jumping around ,
etc and just wanted to do somethig a bit more tiered, it's a different
vibe, it's still like a bit mad, so this was like for me - like
exactley where i should be
WAS IT LIKE AN INSTANT THING WHEN YOU TURNED UP AND STARTED PLAYING
K: Yeah definaltly, they were auditioning someone else and i got
let into the room by accidentand they like clocked me and thought
please let him be able to sing and i just thought oh cool, if they
are nice guys and i like the music, then it's all gonna be good
- i did my thing and they liked me and i liked them so it turned
SO DIGRESSING HOW DID THESE ANIMAL MEN FINALLY CALL IT A DAY, WAS
IT JUST A CASE OF LETS KNOCK IT ON THE HEAD AND TRY SOMETHING NEW?
Julian: Yeah it's the sort of thing where you just do it for a bit
and then to make it seem better, well not to seem better but to
make it exist in a bubble you have to leave it, .......Rob: It had
no where to go, casue i came into it late in the end, both me and
craig and i thought it was better than it ever was, i wasn't on
the album, it just had no where else to go after that, it was just
brilliant, it had to end!
SO IF THE SECOND ALBUM HAD TAKEN OFF, WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN HAPPY
TO CARRY ON?
Julian:Probabley not, no, we were talking to each other on the last
tour and saying about like just totally changing the whole vibe
of things anyway, becasue we kinda existed in a place before that
big scene afterwards, sort of thing and it was a little bit embarrassing,
that was their thing, some people made a lot of money and got very
famous during that, but it would be unfair if we kind of associated
with that, it was time to do something completly different from
everyone else and just leave that where it was, so no one could
confuse the two things
MIND YOU, ACCIDENT AND EMERGENCY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN IT
CAME OUT WAS QUITE VISIBLEY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE AROUND
AT THAT POINT, YOU WERE QUITE LEFT OF THE INDIE FIELD
Julian: Yeah but not quite enough
SO HAD YOU COMPLELTY RELOCATED TO LONDON IN THE ACCIDENT AND EMERGENCY
PERIOD OR WHERE YOU STILL BRIGHTON BASED?
Julian: Burgess Hill, in a tiny little studio there, we lived there
for a year or so
IS THAT STUDIO 125?
Julian: yeah thats the one, we messed around there, then accident
and emergency came out, it's a good record, i'd still sit and listen
to it -and i really love it.....K: I did'nt have any time for These
Animal Men up until I heard life support machine, so like when i
spoke to the management about the set up, went down to audition
and they said it's like the core remains of These Animal Men, casue
i'd heard life support machine and had gone out and brought it and
got some respect for the band - cause of that I had got some respect
for the band, cos of that I thought yeah it's all good and i can
definatley try and be a part of this, their stuff before you know
- i don't wanna upset anybody, but I just dismissed it, like i don't
know what that is, where's with the accident and emergency stuff
that i'd heard when i joined up with the rest of the guys i thought-oh
yeah there's definalty something good going on here and i'm glad
to be a part of it, but it's that sorta thing that it probabley
came too late, certain things happen and you create a certain vibe
and you could be the most amazing thing and the label's still gonna
go like nahhh, thast kinda what happened as i see it anyway, but
there you go, it's proabley gonna be one of those cult classics!!!!
ANY SORT OF LINGERING DISAPPOINTMENT FROM THE WAY IT WAS RECIEVED?
Julian: No not at all...... Rob:It was recieved pretty well, but
not sales wise, even press wise i thought it was a lot better than
you would expect from that was involved with new wave or whatever,
it was a fucking good record, probabley just a little bit too late
YEAH ON THE OUTSIDE IT SEEMED LIKTHINGS GOT BETTER AND BETTER AS
YOU GOT LESS POPULAR
Julian:Yeah, but thats not something you'd put under a band name
- thats why we stuck together....Rob: We could of all just like
fucked off, when it ended with Virgin, we just all like sat down
and we were all up for carrying on, it was a blistering band band
as well, that last tour was blistering and you've still got the
core elements of that and something more incendiary as well, so
it's a plus now!
YEAH WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE REST OF THE BAND THEN (THESE ANIMAL
MEN) WHAT HAPPENED WITH STEVIE (original drummer) WHY DID HE GO,
DID YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF FALLING OUT
Rob: It was down to his bad taste in knitware (Mass laughter errupts
DO YOU STILL HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH PADDY (these animal men bass
Julian: Yeah definalty, i mean Paddy left because he had other things
he wanted to do
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE YOUR BEST MEMORIES/ DEFINING MOMENTS OF
THESE ANIMAL MEN?
Julian: (long errrr) There are no best memories to be honest, it
was one of those things you look back on and go - o.k it was all
right, it's very hard work, it's hard to put them on hold, it wasn't
plesant, it wasn't a plesant experience, not through our own fault
really, but through really the pressure that was put upon us, we
used to have reviews like the men they could'nt hang and stuff like
that - it was like Boag gets gets hit over the head with a scaffolding
pole and it's a question on radio one the next day - do you know
what I mean?, you c'ant exist under that kind of thing, no matter
how strong you are!
DO YOU THINK MO SOLID GOLD IF THEY CHART AND GET ON TOP OF THE
POPS ETC, WILL FIT IN WITH ANY EMERGING OR EXISTNING SCENE OR FOR
THAT MATTER WITH ANY OTHER BANDS AROUND?
Julain:I hope so.....K:I think we will be our own scene, no I d'ont
think we're really fit in with any scene, casue we're not like anything
else going on!.....Rob: I d'ont think there is a scene any more
really, i d'ont think there will ever be another britpop or Camden
type scene again!
BUT YOUR GONNA BE SUPPORTING OCEAN COLOUR SCENE SOON - DO YOU THINK
THAT SORT OF AUDIENCE WILL GET WHAT YOUR DOING?
Rob: They should do
ST:THATS THE SORT OF AUDINECE THAT I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD
APPEAL MORE TO?
Julian:Yeah but its a timeless thing really , a little bit......Rob:I
think anyone with a sensible fucking record collection will get
it really, i'm not talking about sort of 14 - 16 year olds, but
you know people who dig Ocean Colour Scene would get it i reckon
as much as people who dig Primal Scream would get it! - it's pretty
hardcore when you see it, it's not just kinda mainstream
ARE YOU WRITING WITH MORE OF A RADIO FREINDLENESS IN MIND THESE
Craig: With singles and that you sort of have to, cause thats what
the compant demands......Julian:It's kinda likehow do you make it
artistic?, how do you make it have integrity?, and it becomes an
element of things that you loved, it's like, when I think of the
singles that I loved - there's nothing wrong with making people
happy and stuff like that.....Rob: I d'ont think there are many
truely great artists that have not made recods in the hope that
that people wouldn't listen to them - Whats the fucking point, if
your just gonna make records for 50 people in Camden - then fucking
great but who cares?
WHAT YOU MEAN LIKE THE BETA BAND PHILOSOPHY OF BEING OBSCURE FOR
THE SAKE OF BEING OBSCURE?
Rob:It's bullshit, it's fair enough for them, but it's just not
what we're about at all, I definaltly d'ont wanna be obscure, I
c'ant see the point in it, I just c'ant, it's like -James Brown
, he's a bad mother fucker, but he's a bad mother fucker to millions
of people1 , i'd rather do that, you make a great song - you want
it to be on the radio - of course you do! , I wouldn't go out of
my way to make something that no one wants to buy!
SO JULIAN ARE YOU HAPPY ABOUT SWTICHING TO BASS FROM GUITAR?
Julian: Yeah it's a bit fraught, i think it's a really cool thing
to do!, I had no idea of what i was letting myself in for, but i
enjoy it - you get more happiness being part of the rythem and part
of the melody, than i got being kinda detached from it......Rob:It's
the fundamental sound isn't it - the bass and the drums, it's the
arse end of everything (Julian and Rob chuckle away!)
SO HAVE YOU CURTAILED YOUR WELL DOCUMENTED EXCESSIVE LIFE STYLE
OF A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK? - LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE PIZZA DELIVERY
Julian:Yeah, it starts to become a bit sad, it effect's your psyche
and you become paranoid -everyone knows what happens, we had to
get some kind of new attitudes!
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACCOMPLISE AS A BAND THAT YOU HAVN'T
ALL READY DONE, YOU KNOW WHAT KEEPS IT INTERESTING AND WORTHWHILE
AT THE END OF THE DAY?
Julian: Purely out of interest, not desperation or greed, or anything
like that - just to see what it's like, like you go off to war!.....Rob:
It's like when you just know, like when you walk into a party and
just know your gonna have it, everything's just right and you walk
in and you know your going to have it, it's being part of something
like that, like when we're in a building together, we just go onto
stage and know we're going to have it, it's undeniable - even when
we fuck up, it's still better than anything we've done before, that
for me means i can walk round with my head held high - 100% happy
with the situation everyone else feels like that as well, it's a
good feeling , a really good feeling that we've got going on at
the moment definatly, you're not worried about press and stuff really!
DON'T YOU EVEN THINK YOUR BE WORRIED EVEN WHEN YOU PUT OUT THE
K: There's no point in being worried, like people from the first
gig I ever did were like saying are you scared? - What's to be scared
about,it's like you want something and people say before you do
it, that you proabley c'ant do it, and you keep thinking about it
and then you get off your arse and do it, it's like getting up on
stage and getting your dick out and saying it's fucking big enough
all right , rather than saying is it big enough? I'm saying if you
put yourself on stage, you say i can do this, we've done what we've
done and we're fucking proud of it - let's have it and thas's it,
we're not gonna get all gimpy about things like that!
SO ENDING ON A TEASER CAN YOU STILL REMEMBER ANY OF YOUR TEN COMMANDMENTS?
Julian:No,.....K:we've just got the one, thall shall not be crap!!!!!!
So there you have it with K laying the plans out pure and simple
for Mo Solid Golds quest for world domination!!!!
the boys were given a good going over by mark & rory at the
ulu london 11/2/2000